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attorney was asked, was he given the miranda warning. we understand there's a public safety exception. is a new wrinkle in counterterrorism operations. you know, for years law enforcement officers have been told the minute you arrest someone, the first thing do you before you ask them anything is read them their miranda rights. everyone who watched a mystery show can recite them. in this case, amid the controversy of whether they should be enemy combatants and held by the military because they're terrorists or whether they should be handled through the criminal justice system, they have adjusted that slightly to say when you have a terrorist in custody, you skip the miranda warning in the beginning on the public safety exception. you get to any questions that have to do with is there any danger right now? are there explosives devices? hazardous material? some plot you can tell us abouts this still unfolding against another target? when you have gotten through the exigent part of the public safety piece, then you revert back to all right,
attorney was asked, was he given the miranda warning. we understand there's a public safety exception. is a new wrinkle in counterterrorism operations. you know, for years law enforcement officers have been told the minute you arrest someone, the first thing do you before you ask them anything is read them their miranda rights. everyone who watched a mystery show can recite them. in this case, amid the controversy of whether they should be enemy combatants and held by the military because...
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you know, judge, a lot of people h ve been talking about miranda, the public safety exception. i don't want to spend a lot of time on that. but, you know, when the police announced that the public threat was over, once dzhokhar was taken into custody, doesn't that suggest that the public safety exception doesn't kick in, or has been solidified? >> the public safety exception is in no way applicable in this case. that was for a situation where there was a gun in a public place and the police needed to know where it was. they asked the guy they just caught where's the gun before where was the gun? >>> they asked where is the gun. >> be that as it may you have a public defender in boston who is chomping at the bit to appoint a federal judge to defend the suspect. you could reassign a public defender is he or sheable to come in and say i don't want you talking to my client? >> he or she can say that. it's not going to stop this trying to do is to collect intelligence. i'm sure that if that's what they're trying to do, they will simply continue to do it, and gather only intelligence
you know, judge, a lot of people h ve been talking about miranda, the public safety exception. i don't want to spend a lot of time on that. but, you know, when the police announced that the public threat was over, once dzhokhar was taken into custody, doesn't that suggest that the public safety exception doesn't kick in, or has been solidified? >> the public safety exception is in no way applicable in this case. that was for a situation where there was a gun in a public place and the...
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let's talk about miranda here and the fact that his rights have not been read to him. what do you make of that? will that be an issue going forward in this particular case? >> you know, it depends. first, i don't know -- we don't know if he's said anything. if he hasn't made any statements at all, the fact that he didn't get his miranda rights read is not going to be an a relevant issue. if he's made statements i think what the government is doing in expanding that public safety exception beyond the immediacy of the act i think is something that will be taken up, and it will have to be looked at maybe by the u.s. supreme court who just last week heard oral argument in the case from houston that was asking the question when does the fifth amendment or when does your right to remain silent gyp, and so we're already looking at these issues. this is an expansion i think that expands the public safety exception. i think some court is going to have to look at that. >> thank you very much. it's been almost a week now since this city was terrorized, and it's seemingly been one
let's talk about miranda here and the fact that his rights have not been read to him. what do you make of that? will that be an issue going forward in this particular case? >> you know, it depends. first, i don't know -- we don't know if he's said anything. if he hasn't made any statements at all, the fact that he didn't get his miranda rights read is not going to be an a relevant issue. if he's made statements i think what the government is doing in expanding that public safety exception...
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if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that tells us about the accused bomber and the case. jason, tell us what happens, it is fascinating. >> it really is and it is an nine page transcript we got hold of. what i can tell you is this proceeding lasted about ten or 15 minutes, started about 11:30 this morning. all of the key figures came into the hospital room and all of them introduce themselves. you had the u.s. judge there and attorneys from both sides. a court reporter there as well. and everyone present wanted to make sure that he knew exactly what was going on, know about the charges that he is facing. let me read you some of the key sec
if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that...
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miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as
miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing,...
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so whether or not you read miranda to this man when he wakes up, we know that medically he's unable to talk right now, he still knows he has a right to remain silent. so i'm not sure the enemy combatant label is going to sick. >> enemy combatant, that status is a bad idea. allen dur sho witch told piers morgan that there is no way a person in boston could be tried as an enemy dock bat tant. that's ignorance of the law. who is right here. >> it's too early to tell, but he is the guru. what he's pointing out is you do not want to mess this up. you don't want to get a confession or information without ma ran diezing him if in fact you cannot later label him as an enemy combatant then anything he says is subject to be so pressed and not in a court of law. go ahead, give him counsel, he's not going to get bond, ma ran diez him and conduct a thorough investigation so everything staunds up when we get him into a court of law. >> okay. there is no state death penalty in massachusetts. so the death penalty off the table in. >> no. don, this is an interesting thing. he is be charged by both fede
so whether or not you read miranda to this man when he wakes up, we know that medically he's unable to talk right now, he still knows he has a right to remain silent. so i'm not sure the enemy combatant label is going to sick. >> enemy combatant, that status is a bad idea. allen dur sho witch told piers morgan that there is no way a person in boston could be tried as an enemy dock bat tant. that's ignorance of the law. who is right here. >> it's too early to tell, but he is the...
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he will not be given a miranda warning, won't be told about the right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under new federal procedure. mike isikoff is familiar with this as well, he has reported on its development, the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it is a court ordered, judge made rule that says when there's an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirator, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without miranda warning and answers are admissible in court. nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do the initial questioning. after that 48 hour or whatever how many hours of publi
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>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member of the joint terrorism task force and jeffrey toobin our legal analyst. jake is saying -- this is significant in terms of the information in this. but obviously a crucial question out there which is was it obtained before or after those miranda rights were read? >> the irony here is what he is saying is not particularly helpful to him. what would be helpful to him is if he had a conspiracy he could make the government to make a deal to avoid the death penalty. if he is simply saying it is me and my brother, what does he have to negotiate with? >> there's no one to else to give up. >> right. >> and frankly,
>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member...
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the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even months. but i just think it's important to emphasize that the obama administration has absolutely not considered that, has not considered that approach, and every terrorism suspect under either the george w. bush administration or the obama administration who was arrested on american soil has been treated as a criminal defendant in the united states courts. senator graham's proposal would an complete departure from that approach and i don't think there's any indication that's going to happen.that approach a there's any indication that's going to happen. >> and he's a naturalized u.s. citizen. only 19. but last
the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even...
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he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this device. they want to know why these people did this and more importantly, how they went about doing it, any other people of foreign or domestic, they were in contact with and if he starts to talk, that will obviously help the investigation tremendously. >> anderson, you've done a great job today. thank you very much for now. i want to turn to cnn's brian todd in watertown, who shot exclusive video of the boat while the bombing suspect was still inside it. brian, a quite dramatic end game here to what has been an appalling few days for the people of wat
he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this...
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the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the follow-up. >> all right. thank you so much for those insights. up next, the international connection. a whole host of theories about the boller's motives. what if anything did his beck ground play? ♪ if loving you is wrong ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell h
the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the...
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h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police responded to a shooting in federal way when two men were injured in a parking lot. officers moved to assist them. that's when they opened fire. a man and a woman also found dead inside of an apartment. there's no word on what sparked the shooting. >> four more victims have been identified from the deadly fert liedzer plant explosion. among them two brothers doug and robert newcastle both firefighters. >> both brothers were ready to serve neighbors in their time of need. they were the first in the emergency situation. robert and doug were more than just brothers. they were lifelong best frie
h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police...
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that's why you are not seeing him read his miranda warnings. he doesn't have to have a lawyer right away. no decision on whether he would be held as an enemy combatant but they want to get as much information as possible, and they are using the government's detainee interrogation group, we are told. so where are we right now? well, the fbi, as we now know, had a request from a foreign government to look into the older brother last year before he travelled -- when he was traveling to russia to look into his activities. there was a belief by that government he might have been involved in some kind of activities. the fbi did look into it. they issued a statement i want to read to you in part saying in response to the 2011 request, the fbi checked data basis looking for things such as derogatory telephone communications, and possible use of online sites associated with the promotion of radical activity, and associations with other persons of interest, and travel history and plans. the fbi did not find anything of concern. and the older brother trav
that's why you are not seeing him read his miranda warnings. he doesn't have to have a lawyer right away. no decision on whether he would be held as an enemy combatant but they want to get as much information as possible, and they are using the government's detainee interrogation group, we are told. so where are we right now? well, the fbi, as we now know, had a request from a foreign government to look into the older brother last year before he travelled -- when he was traveling to russia to...
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we know i think that is all part and parcel of the story, and i think also we would have heard pre-miranda whether or not during the public safety exception if he had provided any information about imminent threat, additional plans, additional co-conspirators. because we haven't heard from any government sources on it, we should conclude there was nothing else in terms of imminent threat. the next step is to get all of the statements from tsarnaev and then corroborate them. to corroborate them through into good intelligence work, through question and answering with russian intelligence, going through the computers, the phone records to see if what tsarnaev has said now in a hospital bed tracks with the other information we're going to be able to uncover. >> roger, how does it track with the fact that these guys were so inadequately supported that here they are doing a carjacking, grabbing a guy, try to get him to go to the atm, because whatever money they've had has been spent on fire power and pressure cookers and they don't have enough money to get out of town. >> so what is also part of
we know i think that is all part and parcel of the story, and i think also we would have heard pre-miranda whether or not during the public safety exception if he had provided any information about imminent threat, additional plans, additional co-conspirators. because we haven't heard from any government sources on it, we should conclude there was nothing else in terms of imminent threat. the next step is to get all of the statements from tsarnaev and then corroborate them. to corroborate them...
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the government made a mistake by clinging to the public safety miranda, when the police said there is no public safety issue, it's solved and there are no further threats, and the fbi are saying there's enough threats, they should have given him miranda. his kwryouth, and he seems to b influenced by his brother, and he could hold out and try to get a deal if he is prepared to say whether his brother got training in chechnya. he doesn't have very many cards to play. >> graham wants -- >> that's impossible. nobody could be tried as an enemy combatant. couldn't happen. >> in terms of the revelation, you have the two brothers who committed this appalling act, and the younger one in particular seems to have been leading a very regular american life, does that concern you as an american that there may be many more out there? this could be a start of a whole new wave of terror? >> you don't want to be critical of what law enforcement did, they did a phenomenal job, but the fact that one young man can shut down an entire city, and get baseball games postponed, and another young man can say i
the government made a mistake by clinging to the public safety miranda, when the police said there is no public safety issue, it's solved and there are no further threats, and the fbi are saying there's enough threats, they should have given him miranda. his kwryouth, and he seems to b influenced by his brother, and he could hold out and try to get a deal if he is prepared to say whether his brother got training in chechnya. he doesn't have very many cards to play. >> graham wants --...
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he will not be given a miranda warning, he will not be told about his right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under a new federal procedure, and mike isikoff who you were talking to is familiar with this, as well because he's reported on its development. the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it's a court ordered, it's a judge-made rule that says when there is an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirators, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without giving them a miranda warning and all their answers are still add admissible in court. nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do t
he will not be given a miranda warning, he will not be told about his right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under a new federal procedure, and mike isikoff who you were talking to is familiar with this, as well because he's reported on its development. the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it's a court ordered, it's a judge-made rule that says when there is an imminent threat to public safety,...
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he wasn't read his miranda rights. they are using an exception there and there are calls for him to be treated as an enemy combatant. is that the right call, do you think? >> let's pick these two piece it is apart. on the miranda question it's not clear how much of an exception it really is. as an investigator or prosecutor you can choose not to mirandize someone. it makes things much more difficult for them down the road at trial. if you are concerned about getting certain kinds of information and it looks like the fbi and the national security apparatus is concerned about getting information, then you would want to get as much as you can out of someone in the near term in order to roll up any other individuals that might have been involved in a potential conspiracy. turning to the question on whether someone is an enemy combatant or not, if you apply law in 1944 when we were dealing with germans in the united states, maybe you could classify him as an enemy combatant. in the last 20 or 30 years, every major act of do
he wasn't read his miranda rights. they are using an exception there and there are calls for him to be treated as an enemy combatant. is that the right call, do you think? >> let's pick these two piece it is apart. on the miranda question it's not clear how much of an exception it really is. as an investigator or prosecutor you can choose not to mirandize someone. it makes things much more difficult for them down the road at trial. if you are concerned about getting certain kinds of...
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people thought he should have been not given a miranda warning. it turned out he was questioned for a time and then given his miranda warning and the police said he kept talking. they used it as a textbook example. this will remain a controversial decision. it is the stated policy of the obama administration to take anyone like this who creates a crime in the united states and treat them in the regular civilian justice system. they will take him away. when the appropriate time comes, begin to question him. >> pete, i got an e-mail using a term of art in law enforcement. somebody said, remember, this is a federal show. >> meaning the fbi is in charge. we have already heard some members of the senate say this person should be declared an enemy combatant, not given miranda warning and should be subject to a military-style interrogation. the obama administration will never go for that. they believe suspects who commit crimes here should be treated in the criminal justice system. that's what they will intend to do. >> michael leiter who was, among othe
people thought he should have been not given a miranda warning. it turned out he was questioned for a time and then given his miranda warning and the police said he kept talking. they used it as a textbook example. this will remain a controversial decision. it is the stated policy of the obama administration to take anyone like this who creates a crime in the united states and treat them in the regular civilian justice system. they will take him away. when the appropriate time comes, begin to...
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from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he might end up suffering. from what i've read and what i've seen, he's clearly as culpable as his brother. the videos that they picked up, and the statements that he made to the driver of the suv, all would indicate that he was a willing participant in this crime, and also the fact that he fled from the scene would further indicate his willingness to participate in this crime. however, any influence that he might have suffered from his brother, his brother's influence on him, may again go to mitigate any penalty that might be imposed upon him. whether he ends up getting the death penalty or whether he ends up
from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....
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there's a lot we can do prior to miranda warning with public safety expectation. there's a threat to the public. we can accomplish a lot of the information gathering we need to under a constitutional structure without establishing a precedent where we'll treat americans like enemy combatants and throw them in a brig without having legal or constitutional right to do so. >> we know there's been back and forth with him doing some writing. from a national security standpoint, congressman, do you want to know? >> we want to know if there's further risk to the public and other co-conspirators out there that pose a risk. was there foreign direction? foreign players still involved in this. how did they organize this? was this self-directed by these two or was there foreign direction? you can imagine over the next weeks and months that's what the intelligence agencies are going to be poring through. we'll know as much as we possibly can about every day in their lives over the last few years, every trip they made, every person they talked to. every family member that can b
there's a lot we can do prior to miranda warning with public safety expectation. there's a threat to the public. we can accomplish a lot of the information gathering we need to under a constitutional structure without establishing a precedent where we'll treat americans like enemy combatants and throw them in a brig without having legal or constitutional right to do so. >> we know there's been back and forth with him doing some writing. from a national security standpoint, congressman, do...
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authorities decided to withhold reading his miranda rights. as time passes, does the justification for this wear off and in your opinion does the u.s. and investigators stand to regret that? >> they will regret it i think. a, there was never a basis for the public safety exception because when they announced it, the police announced there was no public safety danger. they arrested everybody. didn't think there was a risk to the public. why will they come to regret it? they think the case will be made based on videotapes and civil evidence. there are two elements to every crime. that is the crime itself which they have no problem proving and the intention. now, in order to get the death penalty, they have to prove a terrorist intention. in order to do that, they may get the information from him without having mirandized him and that information may get kept out of a trial. they may have blown the death penalty by not giving him his miranda warnings. >> we talk about public exception, the questioning is limited in scope. do you think there's pot
authorities decided to withhold reading his miranda rights. as time passes, does the justification for this wear off and in your opinion does the u.s. and investigators stand to regret that? >> they will regret it i think. a, there was never a basis for the public safety exception because when they announced it, the police announced there was no public safety danger. they arrested everybody. didn't think there was a risk to the public. why will they come to regret it? they think the case...
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it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you don't, then you can't use anything they tell you in court. so that's why the miranda warning is given. but there is an exception. you don't have to do it if there's a possible threat to public safety. and here obviously there's a concern about whether there are potential accomplices. investigators say they haven't found any. or other explosives. they say they haven't found any of those either but that's what they want to ask him. and this exception probably begins to expire the moment you invoke it so it's probably no good for more than a day or two but nonetheless they can do that. afterwards they'll have to give him his miranda warning and say whether he'll continue to answer questions. the justice department says even in very serious cases like this, most people in custody do continue to talk. >> pete, who's going to be interrogating this guy? >> well, during this period of the public safety exemption,
it's called the public safety exception to the miranda rule. normally you have to tell someone they have a right to remain silent and if you don't, then you can't use anything they tell you in court. so that's why the miranda warning is given. but there is an exception. you don't have to do it if there's a possible threat to public safety. and here obviously there's a concern about whether there are potential accomplices. investigators say they haven't found any. or other explosives. they say...
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tsarnaev was read his miranda rights and nodded yet. the only word he spoke other than that was no when asked if he can afford a lawyer. congress will be briefed today. the complaint says when the first bomb went off every head turned towards the explosion except for tsarnaev. he walks away without his nap sack. tsarnaev told investigators he and his brother acted alone prompted by their religion and learned how to make bombs on the internet. one friend of the brother says they are shocked they are suspects. >> they never showed signs of any violence or wanting to harm people. they were great members of our society. i remember a great friendly giant. he cared for people. more on the reserved side. they respected life at one point and i don't know what happened. >> joining me from boston is michael tracking the new leads and joining the fvgz former white house counter terrorism official, an nbc analyst. it is good to have you here. i think you can hear what the mom is saying and also what friends are saying. i want to start with you beca
tsarnaev was read his miranda rights and nodded yet. the only word he spoke other than that was no when asked if he can afford a lawyer. congress will be briefed today. the complaint says when the first bomb went off every head turned towards the explosion except for tsarnaev. he walks away without his nap sack. tsarnaev told investigators he and his brother acted alone prompted by their religion and learned how to make bombs on the internet. one friend of the brother says they are shocked they...
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there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement last night was commitment by the administration they'll go through normal criminal justice process. we have criminal statutes. >> instead of declaring him enemy combatant. >> i personally think it's absurd to be honest. he's here. he is u.s. citizenship and all of the evidence is necessary and it's an important statement especially after what the city went through to say, yep, now you're just a normal criminal and we're going to put you through the process. this national security exception i agree with tom, we do not know a lot of facts about the motivation and whether they had more plans for people. a lot of
there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement...
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he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist prosecution. they don't have to prove intent to terrorize, intent to intimidate. they can prove their case just through the videotapes. now, i predict there are going to be two types of possible defenses in this case. number one, the jihad defense. i did it, i'm proud, i'm happy, please kill me, i want to join my brother in paradise. i'm a martyr. the other, my brother made me do it, i am innocent, look at my face, look at my high school record, i really didn't mean it, don't give me the death penalty. i think from what we have heard now, the jihad defense seems like it is off the table. he is prepare
he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist...
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the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial decision nonetheless. some republicans think anyone who commits an act of terrorism even on american soil, even if they're american citizens as he is, should be brought before a military tribunal and treated as enemy combatant. >> it's a political hot potato. a lot of administration officials point out the so-called underwear bomber, umar farouk abdulmutallab continued to talk after being mirandized. thank you to you. >> what are investigators doing now? michael leiter served as the director of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush and obama. good morni
the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial...
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supreme court has recognized a limited exception to it's miranda ruling when police or the public are in imminent danger. >>> a new folk hero has emerged out of the terrible weekend. his name is dave hannaberry. he is the guy who found the suspect in his boat in his backyard. the internet is all abuzz to send him a giant thank you gift. here's abc news reporter gio. >> it's the now famous little boat that kept a big secret. the unlikely hideout for america's most wanted man. and this is the boat's owner. david hannaberry, a man now called the hero for finding the suspected marathon are bomber and calling 911. >>water town's chief of police was at the scene. >> what happened when your officers arrived? >> there was a shooting. >> that shooting so damaged the boat. >> his neighbors said, >> he's completely shocked, and he says my poor boat, my poor boat. he's taken care of that boat meticulously since he had it and now it's full of holes. >> now a digital show of support. people from all over the nation are turning to social media sites like facebook raising money to buy him a new boat.
supreme court has recognized a limited exception to it's miranda ruling when police or the public are in imminent danger. >>> a new folk hero has emerged out of the terrible weekend. his name is dave hannaberry. he is the guy who found the suspect in his boat in his backyard. the internet is all abuzz to send him a giant thank you gift. here's abc news reporter gio. >> it's the now famous little boat that kept a big secret. the unlikely hideout for america's most wanted man. and...
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bill: are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly fine. again i don't think it matters under what exception. you can always mirandize this individual, but the important thing is that get the information now. bill: i have not heard a lot of people disagree with that. >> think about the opposite what if they had read him the miranda rights and what if he had clammed up and what if there, god forbid been another attack that we could have seen coming if we had questioned the guy. just think of the conversation if there was a second attack that we could have prevented because we let the guy clam up. bill: this particular decision was broadened two years and and changed by executive order. that is something the president put in action in case you would have an event like this. that you could possibly have active, ongoing terror attacks or threats of terror attacks that could endanger the safety of the public. >> that's why i think he's done the right thing by not giving him the ability to be quiet. we n
bill: are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly fine. again i don't think it matters under what exception. you can always mirandize this individual, but the important thing is that get the information now. bill: i have not heard a lot of people disagree with that. >> think about the opposite what if they had read him the miranda rights and what if he had clammed up and what if there, god forbid been another attack that we...
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>> the -- the decision not to read miranda rights was made by the federal officials. this is a unique clause to the terrorism law that we've not dealt with at the local level before. so, we are standing by and watching that at this point in time to see how that develops. but, the lawyers are involved in the decision, and certainly we're very anxious to talk to him, and the investigators will be doing that as soon as possible. >> commissioner over the weekend i heard you say you believe you found evidence your offices did you believe that these brothers were planning some kind of another attack, or at least prepared for it. tell us about that. >> the two suspects were armed with handguns at the scene of the shoot-out. and there were multiple explosive devices, including a large one that was similar to the pressure cooker device that was found on boylston street. i saw that with my own eyes. i believe that the only reason that someone would have those in their possession was to further attack people and cause more -- more death and destruction. >> it was an arsenal that
>> the -- the decision not to read miranda rights was made by the federal officials. this is a unique clause to the terrorism law that we've not dealt with at the local level before. so, we are standing by and watching that at this point in time to see how that develops. but, the lawyers are involved in the decision, and certainly we're very anxious to talk to him, and the investigators will be doing that as soon as possible. >> commissioner over the weekend i heard you say you...
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doj official says on background that, again, the suspect is in custody, is alive and that no miranda warning is going to be given. that the public safety exception is being invoked by the department of justice and law enforcement. in order to do a limited and focused interrogation. this is done, in part, when they want to make sure there's no continuing imminent threat. >> and, again, legally, does this in any way imperil their case later if they don't have a miranda warning. >> reporter: now, again, i'm not an attorney, but what this source told me is this is the only recognized exception. in this case, seen or taken by the supreme court. >> and dick clark, weigh in on that, please. >> i'm not a lawyer, either, but my understanding is that any information he gives them, prior to getting his miranda rights probably cannot be used against him in a court of law, but it seems to me they've got enough information against him already. >> i was asking you earlier who would go in the room, what kind of people, how they would talk to him. and they will be recording every single thing that ha
doj official says on background that, again, the suspect is in custody, is alive and that no miranda warning is going to be given. that the public safety exception is being invoked by the department of justice and law enforcement. in order to do a limited and focused interrogation. this is done, in part, when they want to make sure there's no continuing imminent threat. >> and, again, legally, does this in any way imperil their case later if they don't have a miranda warning. >>...
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miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's extremely rare. i do criminal defense work. i can tell you, the most you can hope for in a miranda case is one or two statements will not make it into court. it's rare the whole case falls out unless everything -- >> so it's not the poison fruit thing? >> there is a poison fruit provision, standard. but it's very rare for it to pollute an entire case. >> let me ask you practically, why don't the law enforcement officials, the federal officials up there who have him in custody at the hospital, why didn't they just do this
miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's...
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we now that dzhokhar, suspect number two, has been read his miranda rights. sow won't be designated as an enemy combatant. but if he was labelled an enemy combatant, he wouldn't have been entitled to a lawyer and a jury trial. they could have asked him a lot of other questions without a lawyer present that may or may not be relevant to national security. now why did they make this decision not to go for enemy combatant status? do they think they have so much evidence in this case that they can go ahead with the civilian jury trial and they don't need to hide behind enemy combatant? >> i think that is certainly part of it. it does look like an overwhelming body of evidence. more than that, they thought they could get the immediate information they needed by the miranda exception, the public safety exception so they could make sure the public was safe. there accident seem to be an constitution aal basis to treat someone that commits a crime like this on our soil. the supreme court has upheld treating an american, the american taliban hamdi captured in afghanist
we now that dzhokhar, suspect number two, has been read his miranda rights. sow won't be designated as an enemy combatant. but if he was labelled an enemy combatant, he wouldn't have been entitled to a lawyer and a jury trial. they could have asked him a lot of other questions without a lawyer present that may or may not be relevant to national security. now why did they make this decision not to go for enemy combatant status? do they think they have so much evidence in this case that they can...
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and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have outside help, do you think? >> that's an excellent question. i'm sure in the coming days and weeks, law enforcement, the press will uncover virtually every aspect of the lives of these individuals, including the answer to that question. i do know that it is relatively and probably shockingly easy to assemble the components to make a bomb from things you can obtain in the united states. and there are terrorist organizations overseas that have instructions online for how to do that. and so it's something that we ought to look carefully at from the law enforcement p
and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have...
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lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at
lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when...
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read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the alleged master minds of the 9/11 attacks. if boston wants and all of america wants justy, the best way is to let the criminal justice system kick up and work. to make it up as we go along is foolhardy, unconstitutional, and frankly really un-american. >> anthony romero, executive director for the aclu. thank you for coming on the show this morning, sharing your views. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> we're expecting to get an update, by the way, any minute now on the conditions of some of the boston bombing victims who are still in the hospital. >>> plus, how should t
read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the...
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i'm not quite sure that the whole issue of miranda is even relevant at this point given the fact that they have so much evidence it appears based upon the number of photos and images et cetera, et cetera. but judge, what charges might they file against him? and if this case is brought in federal court and it seems that all indications are that it will be brought in federal court, isn't a federal judge bound by, you know, the federal rules of evidence, delay because they may not be able to talk to this defendant for a month or two because he is so drugged from all of the injuries and would a judge be faced with some of the evidencery issues he would with a regular criminal in a criminal trial? >> the evidencery issues will certainly be the same. so far as delay in charging him, motions will be made. i think i can pretty well guarantee you that they will be denied. >> all right. and then you presided over the blind sheik trial and ended up sentencing him to life in prison. when you did so, we all expect as judges that we sentence someone to life that they will spend their life in prison
i'm not quite sure that the whole issue of miranda is even relevant at this point given the fact that they have so much evidence it appears based upon the number of photos and images et cetera, et cetera. but judge, what charges might they file against him? and if this case is brought in federal court and it seems that all indications are that it will be brought in federal court, isn't a federal judge bound by, you know, the federal rules of evidence, delay because they may not be able to talk...
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the united states attorney's office advised us not to administer miranda rights. we gave that information out to our officers and i think all law enforcement was operating under those rules of engagement. >> back to the apartment real quickly. there were devices found in the apartment but you can't comment on what? >> no, i didn't say that. i can't comment on any evidence that was found there. sglp anything that was found in the apartment. are you confident that these two were acting alone and that there are no more suspects out there? >> i'm confident that they were the two major actors in the violence that occurred. i am very, very sure that during this thorough investigation we'll get to the bottom of the whole plot. that's all i can say right now. i told the people of boston that they can rest easily. the two people who were committing these vicious attacks are either dead or in custody. we cleared dozens of packages that had been dropped by people fleeing the scene. so everything was treated suspiciously. in a situation like this, bombers often target first r
the united states attorney's office advised us not to administer miranda rights. we gave that information out to our officers and i think all law enforcement was operating under those rules of engagement. >> back to the apartment real quickly. there were devices found in the apartment but you can't comment on what? >> no, i didn't say that. i can't comment on any evidence that was found there. sglp anything that was found in the apartment. are you confident that these two were...
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all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his position that there was no broader conspiracy here. just him and his pressure. it seems like the justice department and the fbi have done the kind of interrogation that at least -- that lindsey graham seems to want to have been done, perhaps not as extensive as it might have been. but there was a premiranda interrogation and authorities can work with that, at least now going forward. >> i think that's a fair point.
all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done...
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there's a public safety exception outside of miranda. we almost never see it but we saw it with the underwear bomber from detroit and we see it in this case. >> obviously they want todzhokhar alive, that was a priority. but what kind of condition had he been in? >> he had been shot in the neck and the leg. most likely with the amount of blood the homeowner saw, most likely from the night before. so 20 hours earlier after a fierce battle with the carjacking and the car chase, but throwing homemade grenades and one lard satchel bombs at police officers. so he had been bleeding for a long time. there is a picture we've shown earlier where you see him down on the ground being treated and there's an atf s.w.a.t. member who's a medic who was using an ambu bag to actually assist him in his breathing. you can see from the photo we looked at a moment ago where he's climbing out of the boat under his own power following the command of the hrt team that he was very weak. probably had he not been discovered might not have lived. he's an intelligence
there's a public safety exception outside of miranda. we almost never see it but we saw it with the underwear bomber from detroit and we see it in this case. >> obviously they want todzhokhar alive, that was a priority. but what kind of condition had he been in? >> he had been shot in the neck and the leg. most likely with the amount of blood the homeowner saw, most likely from the night before. so 20 hours earlier after a fierce battle with the carjacking and the car chase, but...
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mirandaizeing someone per tains to a custodial investigation. if you're going to be using confessions and admissions in that interrogation, subsequently in a court trial, in this instance they probably have a pretty good case. they've made a decision that the public safety now mandates trying to do everything they can to get him to talk to them. now the entire case also will swing towards motivation. what did these people do this for? why did he they do this? what we found as we started looking more into serial bombers and serial killers is that serial bombers are really idealogues. they don't do it for personal gain or not notoriety. they do it for the ideology. >> the cause. quick question. only 15 second. what are the chances that he talks? it seems that the older brother may have been the one that began on this path. what are the chab chances that y actually get this suspect to talk, assuming he lives? >> he may very well talk. theoreric rudolph didn't talk t, but saddam hussein talked to us eventually. this man may very well talk to us. whe
mirandaizeing someone per tains to a custodial investigation. if you're going to be using confessions and admissions in that interrogation, subsequently in a court trial, in this instance they probably have a pretty good case. they've made a decision that the public safety now mandates trying to do everything they can to get him to talk to them. now the entire case also will swing towards motivation. what did these people do this for? why did he they do this? what we found as we started looking...
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was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that has to do with immediate threats to the police or public. there is a part of the law that said you don't have to give miranda rights to a suspect to immediately protect the police in a life or death situation. the idea is that when they got him in the boat, they don't know if there are other plots or bombs or devices that the brothers had allege wouldly planted. that was a way to get immediate information about the type of threat they may have posed. dzhokhar remains here in the hospital in serious condition. he lost a lot of blood and suffered two gunshot wounds one in the ne
was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that...
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don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by t
don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably...
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so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst, peter bergen, joining us. peter has written extensively on al qaeda and osama bin laden. peter, i appreciate you joining us. what are the questions that you are most interested in learning about these two, in particular about motivation and their operational capability? >> well, first of all, anderson, i think it's very interesting that they were able to detonate two bombs almost simultaneously. i think that's pretty hard. it suggests either practice in the united states or training elsewhere or perhaps both. we've had terrorists who have gone overseas who have tried to d
so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst,...
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if they don't read him his miranda rights right away, you okay with that? >> well, look. i think the public safety exception is being greatly and overly expanded in this instance. the public safety exception as the supreme court laid out is for an instance when an officer walks up on a situation and sees an empty holster and says where's your gun. that's to prevent an imminent threat from happening right then. what they are doing now is really expanding that public safety exception to say really the fifth amendment applies when they say it does and i don't think the supreme court is going to uphold that down the line. the supreme court actually heard oral argument on a case very similar out of texas last week where their argument was the fifth amendment doesn't apply until we read the miranda rights. so we may have an answer to that sooner than we think. >> christopher -- >> would it make any difference -- i'm sorry, fred. just want a little follow-up. would it make any difference if the u.s. were to revoke his naturalized u.s. citizenship as far as the law is concerned?
if they don't read him his miranda rights right away, you okay with that? >> well, look. i think the public safety exception is being greatly and overly expanded in this instance. the public safety exception as the supreme court laid out is for an instance when an officer walks up on a situation and sees an empty holster and says where's your gun. that's to prevent an imminent threat from happening right then. what they are doing now is really expanding that public safety exception to say...